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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-08/11/2026 PH 1 1 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF NEW YORK 2 ------------------------------------------- X 3 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD 4 REGULAR MEETING 5 ------------------------------------------- X 6 7 Southold, New York 8 August 11 , 2026 6 : 00 P . M . 9 10 11 12 13 14 B E F 0 R E : 15 16 ALBERT KRUPSKI JR, SUPERVISOR 17 KATE STEVENS , JUSTICE 18 JILL DOHERTY, COUNCILWOMAN 19 BRIAN MEALY, COUNCILMAN 20 ANNE SMITH, COUNCILWOMAN 21 ALEXA SUESS , COUNCILWOMAN 22 23 24 25 AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 2 1 INDEX TO TESTIMONY 2 3 Public Comments : 3-78 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 3 1 PUBLIC COMMENTS 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All 3 right . So that ' s the end of our regular 4 agenda . There are no scheduled public 5 hearings tonight . But before we open the 6 floor up to anyone who ' d like to discuss 7 any topic with the Town Board, I know 8 Councilman Mealy has a couple of 9 announcements . 10 (Whereupon, Councilman Mealy made 11 some announcements at this time . ) 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All 13 right . And we have -- we have probably as 14 many people on Zoom tonight as we do, 15 in-house . So is there anyone here who 16 would like to address the Board on any 17 matter? 18 JEREMY GARRETSON : Hi , Jeremy 19 Garretson, resident of Southold . While 20 we ' re on the topic of Flock, I ' m going to 21 try to keep this short . I ' m a terrible 22 public speaker . So I ' m just going to 23 read . Good evening . Those that know me, 24 Jeremy Garretson, Southold . I ' d hoped 25 to -- I ' d hoped to hear today ' s work AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 4 1 session discussion with the sheriff ' s 2 office regarding Flock cameras before 3 addressing the Board this evening . Since 4 that discussion has now been -- been 5 postponed till October, I don ' t believe 6 this conversation can wait another three 7 months . That ' s why I ' m speaking tonight . 8 Over the past year and a half, I ' ve spent 9 countless hours researching Flock safety . 10 I ' ve read court cases , academic studies , 11 investigative news reports , and town 12 documents obtained through FOIL . I ' ve 13 also spoken with elected officials and law 14 enforcement . The more I research, the 15 more I realize this isn ' t just about 16 license plate readers . It ' s about 17 government surveillance , government 18 accountability, and right of innocent 19 people . This isn ' t about whether Flock 20 has ever helped solve a crime . It has . 21 This debate is about whether the 22 government should be collecting and 23 storing the movement of innocent people in 24 the first place . Before I go any further, 25 I ' d like to address one argument I hear AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 5 1 all the time . We already carry cell 2 phones . The Supreme Court has recognized 3 that our phone ' s location is protected by 4 the Fourth Amendment , which generally 5 means law enforcement needs probable cause 6 followed by a warrant signed by a judge to 7 obtain it . Flock camera -- cameras work 8 very differently . They collect 9 information on everything -- every passing 10 vehicle without probable cause, without a 11 warrant . The surveillance happens first, 12 and only afterwards does the government 13 decide whose movements to examine . Those 14 are fundamentally different things . On 15 reliability, a randomized controlled trial 16 conducted by Valero Police Department in 17 California found that 370 of LPR hits from 18 fixed readers , such as those mounted on 19 streetlights , and 350 on mobile vehicles 20 were misreads . That is an astonishing 21 high -- high error rate . These errors 22 have resulted in innocent people being 23 stopped, detained, arrested . In some 24 cases confronted at gunpoint by police . 25 Just this past week, Brookfield Police AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 6 1 conducted a high-risk stop on 1-94 2 involving a vehicle that had already been 3 cleared in a Milwaukee homicide 4 investigation . According to reports , the 5 vehicle had not been removed from the hot 6 list . This led to a heated confrontation 7 in the middle of the highway with officers 8 drawing their guns and putting innocent 9 lives at risk . According to Business 10 Insider, in the Summer of 2024 , Roseville , 11 California police officers contacted a man 12 whose license plate had repeatedly been 13 misread by Flock cameras . On six separate 14 occasions , the system alerted police that 15 his vehicle had been stolen or linked to a 16 felony . The problem was simple . The 17 camera repeatedly mistook the Number 9 for 18 Number 8 . In another recent case, 19 Colorado woman was wrongfully accused of 20 stealing a package after police relied on 21 license plate reader ' s data without 22 properly verifying the evidence . Officers 23 issued her a criminal summons despite her 24 repeated denials . She ultimately proved 25 her innocence using her own vehicle ' s CPS AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 7 1 logs , built-in camera footage , and 2 surveillance video from a local business , 3 showing she had simply driven through the 4 area and never stopped at the victim ' s 5 home . She later said that if it hadn ' t 6 been for her own technology documenting 7 her whereabouts , she likely would have not 8 been able to prove her innocence . Think 9 about that for a moment . We ' ve reached a 10 point where law-abiding citizens need 11 better technology than the government just 12 to prove they ' re innocent . Misuse by 13 police and Flock employees . In Dayton, 14 Ohio, the city discovered that outside 15 agencies , including ICE , had accessed 16 Flock cameras thousands of times . This 17 was a violation of the city ' s own policy . 18 And officials later learned that Flock had 19 granted federal agencies access . The city 20 responded by covering its cameras with 21 garbage bags . In April , Texas authorities 22 used a network of more than 80 , 000 Flock 23 cameras to track down a woman who left the 24 state to obtain an abortion . This didn ' t 25 just -- They didn ' t just use Flock cameras AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 8 1 in states where abortion is illegal , they 2 tracked her through states where abortion 3 was perfectly legal . In my opinion, this 4 is one of the clearest examples of 5 government overreach and misuse of the 6 surveillance system that was sold to the 7 public as a crime-fighting tool . Just 8 this past week, we learned about another 9 case involving Wisconsin police officers , 10 used Flock cameras to track a man across 11 state lines after he legally purchased 12 marijuana in Michigan . When he returned 13 to Wisconsin, police used that information 14 as a pretext to stop his vehicle , search 15 it, and arrest him for marijuana 16 possession . Nationwide , there have been 17 at least fifty documented cases of police 18 officers misusing Flock cameras . Flock 19 Safety ' s home state of Georgia, which has 20 roughly 5 , 000 Flock cameras , has been the 21 center of many of these cases . Thanks to 22 audits conducted by the Georgia Bureau of 23 Investigation, misconduct was uncovered 24 involving ten officers from Savannah 25 Police Department, five officers from AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 9 1 Albany Police Department, two officers 2 from Cherokee County, and one officer from 3 Greene County Sheriff ' s Office . Roughly 4 thirty of those fifty cases involved 5 officers using Flock to track current or 6 former romantic partners . Michael 7 Stephan, a small-town police chief, 8 tracked his ex-girlfriend ' s vehicle 600 9 times . Josiah Ayala, a Milwaukee police 10 officer, used Flock a 124 times to track 11 his romantic partner, and 55 times to 12 track her former partner . Elizabeth 13 Snowman, a former police officer in North 14 Carolina, was charged after investigators 15 found she accessed the department ' s ALPRs 16 31 times to track her boyfriend ' s ex-wife . 17 George Opadek, the county sheriff, used 18 the Flock system to search for his wife ' s 19 vehicle hundreds of times . The misuse of 20 Flock cameras isn ' t limited to police . 21 Flock employees have also been documented 22 accessing the system improperly . Flock 23 claims these were conducted for training 24 purposes , but it ' s worth noting that some 25 of the cameras accessed were in sensitive AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 10 1 locations , including a pool at the Marcus 2 Jewish Community Center in Atlanta, the 3 children ' s gymnastic room, and several 4 fitness centers and studios . Some will 5 argue that better oversight is the answer . 6 1 now disagree with that . Oversight is 7 important because it exposes abuse after 8 it happens . It doesn ' t prevent it . The 9 Georgia Bureau of Investigation uncovered 10 these cases because it conducted audits . 11 The real question is , how much misuse has 12 gone undetected in a place where no one is 13 looking? More importantly, if 14 surveillance system requires constant 15 audits just to ensure it isn ' t being 16 abused, perhaps the problem isn ' t 17 oversight . Perhaps the problem is the 18 surveillance system itself . According to 19 the FOIL documents I obtained from the 20 town, there were approximately seventy 21 thousand Flock ALPR cameras nationwide 22 when Southold signed the contract in 23 January 2025 . Today that number has grown 24 to more than a 120 , 000 . At this pace, 25 there could -- could be well over 200 , 000 AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 11 1 within a year . What will that number be 2 two or three years from now? I understand 3 that some of this responsibility falls on 4 Suffolk County and not just town -- the 5 Town of Southold, but when I asked 6 government officials how many more cameras 7 we should expect to see in Southold, 8 nobody could give me an answer . According 9 to Flock ' s own sole source letter, which I 10 obtained through FOIL, its Wing program -- 11 Wing platform can apply computer vision to 12 third-party cameras , transforming them 13 into evidence, capture devices using the 14 same vehicle fingerprint technology 15 Flock ' s Falcon cameras use . Think about 16 what that means . Mission creep doesn ' t 17 necessarily require installing thousands 18 of new Flock cameras . Existing cameras , 19 like the ones on this building, again -- 20 existing cameras like the ones on this 21 building or throughout our community could 22 become part of the same surveillance 23 network with nothing more than a software 24 update . And it ' s not just license plate 25 readers . Flock has expanded into the AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 12 1 drone as first responders technology, and 2 is developing systems capable of 3 maintaining continuous aerial -- aerial 4 surveillance by automatically rotating 5 drones as their batteries deplete . The 6 company also advertises drone cameras 7 capable of reading license plates from 8 more than 2 , 000 feet away . This is how 9 surveillance systems grow, not all at 10 once, but one camera, one software update , 11 and one new capability at a time . The 12 question isn ' t whether today ' s system is 13 acceptable . The question is , what will 14 the system become tomorrow? And at what 15 point do we finally say enough? 16 Vandalism . All across this country, 17 people are disabling Flock cameras and 18 taking their privacy into their own hands . 19 Let me be clear, I do not encourage 20 vandalism . That ' s why I ' m here . However, 21 these acts have brought the debate over 22 government mass surveillance onto the 23 national stage . And I ' m sure many of you 24 are aware, a few weeks ago, multiple Flock 25 cameras were damaged in Southold Town . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 13 1 Just this past week, two days ago, I 2 noticed a camera at the corner of Route 25 3 and Manhasset Avenue has been damaged 4 again, and had red paint poured over its 5 solar panel . Based on what I ' ve witnessed 6 firsthand and what I ' ve -- has been 7 reported in the news , that appears to be 8 the -- at least the fifth incident of 9 vandalism . I bring this up not to excuse 10 the destruction of government property, 11 but because you have the power to prevent 12 more of it . The Town Board approved 13 the -- the contract, and the Town Board 14 has the authority to terminate it . Rather 15 than simply condemning these acts at -- 16 these acts , we should also ask why people 17 are willing to risk criminal charges to 18 disable these cameras . What causes 19 ordinary citizens to believe that 20 vandalism is the only way left to make 21 their voices heard? Our nation ' s founding 22 offers a lesson . Long before shots were 23 fired in the Revolutionary War, there were 24 protests , boycotts , and destruction of 25 government property by colonists who AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 14 1 believed their liberties were being eroded 2 and their concerns ignored . I ' m not 3 equating these situations , nor am I 4 encouraging vandalism . I am saying that 5 when people believe their fundamental 6 rights are being ignored and that they 7 have no meaningful voice, frustration can 8 boil over . In destructive ways . The best 9 way to prevent that, that isn ' t -- is -- 10 isn ' t simply stronger enforcement, it ' s 11 restoring public trust by listening to 12 those concerns before they reach that 13 point . I don ' t have a problem with -- 14 with security cameras . As a professional 15 photographer, I certainly don ' t have a 16 problem being filmed in public . My 17 problem is a private company building a 18 nationwide surveillance network that 19 collects information on millions of 20 innocent Americans who aren ' t suspected of 21 committing a crime . My problem is a 22 system that has repeatedly misidentified 23 innocent people, been misused by police 24 officers and even Flock employees , and 25 continues to expand with no meaningful AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 15 1 limits . At some point, we have to stop 2 asking what can this technology do, and 3 start asking should the government be 4 doing this at all ? Every generation is 5 asked to decide how much liberty it is 6 willing to trade for security . Those -- 7 those decisions are easy to justify in the 8 moment, but they ' re much harder to reverse 9 later . If this isn ' t enough to make us 10 pause , what is ? This Board approved the 11 contract . This Board has the authority to 12 end it . I ' m asking you to act while there 13 is still a choice . Once the cameras 14 multiply, once the existing cameras are 15 folded into the network, and continuous 16 aerial surveillance become commonplace , 17 it ' ll be far more difficult to turn back . 18 I ' m asking the Town Board to terminate the 19 contract with Flock Safety effective 20 immediately . The freedoms we lose are 21 rarely taken at all . More often they ' re 22 surrendered one camera at a time . Thank 23 you . 24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So just 25 a quick response to that point . You know, AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 16 1 coming from, I would say my generation, 2 you know, technology was supposed to be 3 the answer to a lot of things . It was 4 supposed to be really inexpensive, and -- 5 and make life less complicated . It ' s kind 6 of done the -- the opposite . So -- and 7 security cameras too, you brought that 8 point up that they could be hacked into . 9 And that ' s a -- that ' s a -- that ' s a -- 10 JEREMY GARRETSON : Can I just 11 clarify that? 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Yes . 13 JEREMY GARRETSON : In the contract 14 that Flock gave Southold Town, it talks 15 about the Wing program, and that is the 16 ability to take any existing camera and 17 fold it into the system, where it will 18 automatically function as a Flock camera 19 without you having to buy the Flock 20 camera . It -- it ' s a software update . 21 Like, it -- it feeds it into the feed and 22 uses the AI and the same technology that 23 the Falcon cameras use . 24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 25 you . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 17 1 JEREMY GARRETSON : I ' m not saying 2 that ' s what ' s happening here, I just know 3 that that was in the paperwork that the 4 town had . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 6 you . And I appreciate that observation . 7 JOHN BOGOVICH : My name is John 8 Bogowich . Sheila Spence and I live at 600 9 Little Peconic Bay Road . We came before 10 the Town Board back on May 5th to bring to 11 your attention the expansion of the 12 property at 500 Little Peconic Bay Road 13 from a three-bedroom single house to a 14 13-bedroom multi-structure compound . I 15 won ' t go back through all of the detail 16 that we provided that, but we did provide 17 to the Board at that time a detailed 18 indication of what was going on, as well 19 as , the site plan indicating and 20 specifying the 13 bedrooms that had been 21 provided to the town, as an appendix to 22 the Wetlands Permit that was approved by 23 the town back prior to that May 5th town 24 meeting date . I ' m coming here, and we ' re 25 coming here today unfortunately, to AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 18 1 express our both disappointment, and to be 2 honest just mystification as to what has 3 happened since that May 5th meeting . You 4 were all , I don ' t -- you know, I didn ' t 5 speak to each and every Board member, but 6 you all seemed quite responsive and 7 curious about the goings on that we had 8 detailed . There was an indication that 9 the Town Attorney ' s Office would make them 10 self available and to dive into this 11 matter . And an instruction that we have 12 our attorneys who we ' ve retained, for now, 13 the last eight months at a substantial 14 personal expense to Sheila and me, I might 15 add, but that ' s irrelevant for this 16 conversation . That they should engage 17 with the Town Attorney ' s Office to try to 18 understand what was going on here . They 19 had a initial meeting the next day on the 20 6th of May . And notwithstanding many, 21 many outreaches by our attorneys to the 22 Town Attorney ' s Office, there has been 23 zero response to any of their requests for 24 information, updates , progress reports , or 25 updates on anything that was going on at AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 19 1 the property . Further, we have just 2 become aware today that on July 24th, 3 there was -- what is being referred to by 4 our attorneys as a pre-CO that has been 5 granted with no review, no supporting 6 documentation, no Zoning Board meetings , 7 no public scrutiny or presentation that 8 was I -- issued by John Jarsky, legalizing 9 both a waterside cottage and a garage 10 apartment, which are the two other 11 structures that are part of this compound . 12 There was no -- there were no affidavits 13 filed . There was no supporting argument 14 as to why these structures should be 15 entitled to preexisting condition, 16 certification . And further consistent 17 with what I said before , there was 18 absolutely no notification to either us or 19 to our attorneys of this development . And 20 further from that, our attorneys have had 21 to go down and request physical inspection 22 of the Building Department files on a bi 23 to tri-weekly basis just to discover this 24 information, which is the only reason we 25 know about what I ' ve just detailed . I AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 20 1 think this is deeply troubling on many 2 levels . one is obviously, and I ' ll kind 3 of put it there and put it off the table, 4 one is the conclusion . But before you 5 even get to the conclusion, which, you 6 know, we find troubling, the one thing we 7 asked for back on May 5th was , given the 8 oddity of this plan, given the fact that 9 it was seemingly being processed under the 10 radar screen in an attempt to just do 11 something quite transformative and 12 potentially quite disruptive to the 13 neighborhood, and as a precedent to the 14 Town of Southold, our biggest request was 15 a clear, transparent process where it 16 would be -- where it would be incumbent 17 upon this property owner to lay out their 18 plans in detail , and it would be -- there 19 would be a proper public forum where those 20 plans could be scrutinized, reviewed by 21 the public, and commented on by the public 22 prior to any conclusion being reached . 23 And unfortunately, and I -- I say this 24 with, you know, sadness , like , it ' s been 25 exactly the opposite . So I -- I implore AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 21 1 and ask all of you as a matter of first 2 and foremost just good, transparent 3 government to let ' s bring this thing out 4 of the shadows into the light of day . 5 There ' s lots of minutiae around this , 6 which I will not, you know, subject you 7 all to or the rest of the public group 8 here to tonight . Our attorneys have done 9 exhaustive work on this . We are happy to 10 participate and share that information and 11 engage in a dialogue in any way, but let ' s 12 bring this thing up and into the light of 13 day, especially, as we said before, in 14 light of the forthcoming opening of, you 15 know, Airbnb-ing, the -- the short-term 16 rental provisions which, as we -- as we 17 suggested back in May 5th, seems clearly 18 the intent on the use side behind this 19 transformation . Thank you very much for 20 your time, and your continued attention . 21 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 22 you . I ' m going to ask our Town Attorney 23 to answer . 24 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 25 Sure . So I do have an e-mail . I ' m CC ' d AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 22 1 on an e-mail , July 7th, with your attorney 2 to me and the Zoning Board of Appeals 3 attorney to -- to Building Inspectors and 4 that ' s the last correspondence I have . I 5 know I -- I have spoken to your attorney, 6 and I ' m happy to continue the dialogue 7 with your attorney . And I ' m happy to 8 speak with the Building Inspector to see 9 what exactly is going on . From my memory, 10 we did not see anything untoward . But, 11 you know, we -- we ' re happy to look into 12 it again . 13 JOHN BOGOVICH : Just for the record, 14 this C of 0 has been granted on a garage 15 apartment that has absolutely no record 16 going all the way back to the ' 70s of any 17 approval as an exception in these later 18 days or when it was required to be an 19 active zoning . There is no record of any 20 approval of this as a separate apartment . 21 And with due respect , the characterization 22 that you don ' t see anything untoward, I 23 find that extremely curious to 24 problematic . Because, if -- there ' s -- 25 there ' s no way that this should have been AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 23 1 approved without a detailed -- if there is 2 some supporting rationale for this , 3 where ' s the file? Where ' s the affidavit? 4 Where ' s the process that says , "This has 5 been thoroughly reviewed . These are the 6 findings that we have . This is what 7 supports this temporary C of 0" ? And why, 8 honestly, in -- in the wake of what we ' ve 9 been trying to be extremely constructive 10 in in engaging about this , and why when 11 the when the preeminent request was 12 transparency and communication has there 13 been none? How could this happen at this 14 point? How could the Building Department 15 make this decision and there ' s no 16 communication about it? And honestly, if 17 you don ' t know about it, that ' s 18 problematic too, because then what ' s going 19 on with respect to a clearly alerted 20 situation where there ' s full visibility 21 that this is a matter of concern? What ' s 22 going on where the -- the Building 23 Department can go off and do this and 24 nobody knows about it? So, with -- with 25 respect, we are -- we are trying and will AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 24 1 continue to be as constructive as 2 possible . But I will also say I think 3 this is elevated at this point to 4 something that needs to come up beyond 5 just an attorney to attorney conversation . 6 We were very happy to have that process be 7 the core of it back on May 5th . The first 8 meeting was a good sharing of information, 9 but there ' s been nothing since then . And 10 1 would request that the Board in whatever 11 configuration you normally adopt to handle 12 this , whether it ' s designated to one of 13 you as a Board member or there ' s a 14 committee or whatever it is , I don ' t know 15 what that is , happy to have whatever 16 process attaches to that, I think it needs 17 to now move to something with the Board, 18 as well as , the attorney -- to attorney 19 communication in parallel . 20 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, 21 thank you for that . Ben, could you call 22 me -- 23 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 24 Sure . 25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : -- after AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 25 1 the meeting? 2 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 3 Absolutely . 4 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : -- 5 tomorrow . 6 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : And 7 we ' re -- we ' re happy to speak to the 8 Building Inspector as well . 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : We will 10 talk to the Building Inspector tomorrow 11 Thank you . 12 JOHN BOGOVICH : Thank you . Thank 13 you very much . 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Sir? 15 MARK NEAME : Boy, can I correlate to 16 both of those comments . I ' m here to 17 continue that Flock conversation . I ' ll 18 try -- 19 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Sir, can 20 you just -- We -- some of us know you . 21 Can you just identify yourself? 22 MARK NEAME : Oh, yeah . I was just 23 about to . Sorry . I ' m Mark Neame from 24 Southold . Moved here in another century, 25 grew up on the island . Also worked with AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 26 1 the FBI in national infrastructure threats 2 in the mid- ' 90s , the kind of threats that 3 owned our town ' s servers , et cetera . So 4 well-versed in this area . I just also 5 want to comment on how the whole thing was 6 set up in the conversation tonight because 7 it was textbook Flock manual , which was , 8 let ' s toss it down a little -- down field 9 a little bit and guide it to October . 10 Let ' s say we care . Let ' s bring up the 11 saving of a little old lady, okay? And 12 then talk about the First Amendment, which 13 isn ' t even relevant here . It ' s about the 14 Fourth Amendment . I ' m also shocked, just 15 following up on his comments , that the 16 Business Improvement District hasn ' t 17 knocked on your doors because the 18 implications are also surveillance 19 pricing, and that means that if you visit 20 a vineyard, you ' re most likely to have a 21 car insurance increase, right? Or you 22 park by a bar and so on and so forth, 23 because that happens . Also, the 24 ShotSpotter is an audio capability . So 25 it ' s enabling another feature , right? So AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 27 1 those were the setups tonight . I ' ll be 2 quick though . I ' ll -- I ' ll get it to two 3 questions . I maybe even won ' t even do my 4 preamble . But I did spend over eight 5 months with the town over Freedom of 6 Information Act requests around these 7 cameras . I concluded about a week ago . I 8 really appreciate the department and the 9 town ' s attorney handled it properly . What 10 remains is policy, as he had mentioned, 11 and that responsibility belongs to this 12 Board, right? So the captain, in meeting 13 with them over this , informed me that in 14 June, the system sharing settings are a 15 town-level decision . So all those sites 16 that have access are this -- this Town ' s 17 decision and this Board ' s decision . And 18 the town ' s own records demonstrate that 59 19 outside agencies can search Southold 20 cameras and its data while our officers 21 have access to a nationwide network of 22 over 94 , 000 cameras . Just think of the 23 orders of magnitude here . The town 24 official letter said there was no opt-in 25 or no opt-out decisions . No member of AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 28 1 this Board voted on these configurations , 2 and no one in this room confirm -- can 3 confirm who outside Southold has searched 4 our residents ' data . I know this because 5 of I have the record, and you haven ' t made 6 the requests . My questions are two . One , 7 will the Board place Flock sharing 8 settings on an upcoming agenda for public 9 vote? Although I do believe they should 10 be taken down, I want this on a public 11 vote to decide whether to keep them or 12 turn them off, rather than leaving them 13 set at vendor defaults that no one here 14 has authorized . Number two, has the 15 County asked Southold to sign a 16 right-of-way agreement, and I think it 17 might have already happened, for its 18 cameras the way Riverhead did in January? 19 And if so, who signed that? Because these 20 are liability points , right? And they ' re 21 not just endpoints to facial recognition 22 technology . And by the way, there ' s 23 nothing preventing marketers to buy this 24 data . So we ' re all opted in, and then 25 they ' re selling it, and you allowed it, AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 29 1 and that ' s shame . I ' m going to say -- and 2 it ' s the Fourth Amendment . So actually, 3 I ' ll full stop there , and I ' d like to have 4 some answers on my two singular questions . 5 1 believe the attorney would probably be 6 best suited for it . 7 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 8 Sure . What was your first question? 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Will we 10 review the Flock camera settings , as far 11 as or -- or ask them to -- 12 MARK NEAME : Stop the Flock sharing . 13 Yeah . Right . And vote on it . Put it to 14 the town to vote on it . I don ' t even need 15 16 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : I 17 don ' t know if we would be voting on it, 18 but I -- I ' m sure the Board would 19 certainly to the extent that they ' re even 20 aware of this , discuss it . 21 MARK NEAME : See , the awareness 22 level is problematic because we ' re talking 23 about bonds to secure our servers and all 24 of this . And through my Information Act 25 request, these servers haven ' t been AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 30 1 updated for five years . I can own this 2 with my cellphone from here, literally . 3 I ' m not going to, you know, have that 4 conversation now, but you ' re setting 5 yourselves up for a liability . These are 6 liabilities besides violating all of our 7 rights . 8 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, and 9 1 appreciate you bringing that up . 10 MARK NEAME : And the second question 11 was , when does that contract end? And can 12 we stop it with the County? And who 13 signed it? 14 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : I 15 don ' t believe anyone from the town signed 16 a contract with the County, but I cannot 17 be sure . 18 MARK NEAME : So then we can take 19 those down or put a sign in front of them 20 or mitigate or remediate them in some 21 fashion because they -- If you have a kid 22 in your car and you don ' t want that kid ' s 23 face in the cloud, they ' re taking it and 24 putting it there anyway, and these are 25 going to be exploited . How many letters a AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 31 1 day do you get in the mail from medical 2 people who, "Oh, we ' ve been violated 3 again, and your privacy has been violated, 4 and we ' re just letting you know" ? Okay? 5 These are the things that are making 6 happen . I ' m -- I ' m talking about moms 7 with their kids , okay? So we should be 8 really thinking these things through . I 9 made a map of surveillance cameras in New 10 York City in 1995 . I ' ve been thinking 11 about this a few minutes . All right . 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 13 you for your time . No, thank -- thank you 14 for coming . 15 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I 16 think -- I believe that was one of -- one 17 of the questions . One of the questions 18 that we asked the Suffolk County Sheriff ' s 19 Office is , is how -- how do they put -- 20 what input do they put to record? Because 21 1 don ' t -- from what we ' re being told is 22 it doesn ' t automatically record every car 23 that goes by . It records the input that 24 the sheriff puts in . So if they ' re 25 looking for -- for a specific car, AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 32 1 specific license plate, that ' s what they 2 put into it -- and that ' s what the -- 3 they ' re going to record . That ' s what 4 we ' re being told, and these are questions 5 that we ' re asking the Sheriff ' s Office to 6 confirm . I hope we can shed some light on 7 that . 8 MARK NEAME : Yes . I appreciate you 9 guys all hearing that out . I really do . 10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, 11 and -- and as far as the storage of that 12 data, it ' s -- we seem obsessed as a -- as 13 a culture now to build data centers and 14 store all that data . 15 MARK NEAME : Just a liability again . 16 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : It ' s 17 just a -- It ' s just kinda curious why we ' d 18 want to store all that data for what, 19 so -- 20 MARK NEAME : History has shown 21 making lists have really not served us as , 22 as a society . I don ' t feel like I need to 23 say anything further there , but, like, we 24 can be better . 25 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 33 1 you . 2 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Al , some 3 municipalities like Troy, New York, has 4 recently passed their local law to say 5 that data captured cannot be held longer 6 than 48 hours . So municipalities are 7 either staunchly saying, canceling their 8 contracts , or they ' re trying to modify the 9 contracts . Some municipalities are 10 saying, "Okay, we ' re having our community 11 conversation . Let ' s put a halt on all new 12 installation of Flock cameras . " So every 13 conversation in every community is 14 different, and we ' re just beginning our 15 Southold conversation, and the Suffolk 16 County Sheriff will add to that . We asked 17 some very good questions , and 18 unfortunately, we tried to have the 19 conversation sooner rather than later . 20 And I am just proud of our council person, 21 Alexa Suess , trying to capture these 22 important questions and so we can have -- 23 1 don ' t know if Alexa wants to add to any 24 of her research, but we ' re trying to have 25 this conversation in an important way, in AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 34 1 -- in Southold ' s way . And unfortunately, 2 you need other partners to have this 3 complete conversation, because as far as I 4 understand it, there ' s Suffolk County 5 cameras that are in Southold, and there ' s 6 Southold cameras . 7 MARK NEAME : Yeah, they ' re both . 8 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : And Chief 9 Grattan has informed us about what the 10 Southold cameras are doing . So we have to 11 have -- We don ' t know everything . And as 12 Jill said, Suffolk County has explained 13 certain things , and we want to have that 14 conversation in public, and hopefully -- 15 it will be unpacked on October 6th . 16 MARK NEAME : There are other ways to 17 execute and give police the tools to do 18 their job . It doesn ' t need to be a Flock 19 system . And there -- I don ' t want to 20 delay because of the other people 21 speaking . But it ' s -- 22 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : It ' s 23 happening all around the country -- 24 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : Thank you 25 for your comments . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 35 1 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : So 2 you ' re right to bring it up . Thank you . 3 And it ' s also kind of ties in with, you 4 know, we had a scam last -- late last week 5 on Friday about one of our town 6 departments sending out letters to people , 7 applicants saying that they owed money, 8 and it was a complete scam . But the -- 9 these people are sophisticated enough to 10 be able to use the town seal and use the 11 town names of town employees , and use the 12 names of the applicants . So when you see 13 that kind of -- that technology used for 14 that, it ' s really -- it is disconcerting . 15 And then to the specter of them using 16 our -- our security cameras , tapping into 17 those is -- is also disconcerting . We 18 spent a lot of time and effort right at -- 19 before and around Thanksgiving last year . 20 We had a big computer hack . We spent a 21 lot of time trying to make our systems 22 secure . I was part of doing that . And 23 it ' s a constant ongoing effort . 24 MARK NEAME : I can help in those 25 areas , separately, okay . But let ' s get AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 36 1 rid of the chilling effects first . Thank 2 you . 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Okay . 4 Yes , sir . 5 MICHAEL SONIC : Hey . Good evening, 6 guys . My Docket Number was 695 , and I ' m 7 Employee Number 7678 , Michael Sonio, that 8 has been terminated with the Southold -- 9 Southold Town Highway Department . I have 10 sent an e-mail to -- I apologize , I missed 11 two of you on my e-mail chain, outlying to 12 why I feel as though I was unjustly 13 terminated with my position . I feel as 14 though there is inside that department 15 some deep favoritism/political unjust that 16 1 fell victim to . I know I was on a six 17 month probationary period, but I have yet 18 to really have been provided why and 19 concrete reason to as why my job was 20 terminated, and any proof or anything 21 related to that as to why I was let go . I 22 don ' t know if I should -- I had a 30-day 23 review, which I brought in here, and a 24 90-day review signed by -- that I was 25 dealt with my boss , Dan Goodwin . And if AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 37 1 you wanted to look over this , if I -- may 2 1 pass it down the line to you guys or -- 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : 4 Certainly, you can present it to the clerk 5 and he can distribute it to us . 6 MICHAEL SONIO : I feel as though -- 7 compared to the 30-day review, as you can 8 see, all "excellent" marks , and then on my 9 90-day review, there ' s all pretty much 10 "unsatisfactory" remarks . Some that look 11 like it could ' ve been even, call it 12 "pencil whipped, " and as to some that 13 don ' t even make sense when I ' ve had the 14 opportunity to perform . I come from New 15 Hampshire . My family has summered out 16 here since the 1940s in Mattituck . I 17 moved down back in April , late April , 18 early May . I had this job secured first . 19 And there ' s a couple underlying issues as 20 to why I really can ' t figure out unjustly 21 1 was terminated . And I don ' t know where 22 to kind of go from there . I have an 23 e-mail here , too, that I did write you 24 guys . It takes me probably two to three 25 minutes to read if that ' ll give me some AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 38 1 more details to provide . But like I said, 2 there ' s just a lot of -- I was told in my 3 -- one instance is I was told in my hiring 4 interview to stay out of the drama as in 5 pertaining to management, my -- the -- the 6 highway superintendent, as well as , the 7 deputy, I believe his title is , was told 8 by them to stay out of the drama with 9 management compared to employees , 10 coworkers . There was already some 11 deep-rooted issues prior to me start -- 12 like way prior to me starting there , and I 13 feel I was just unjustly a victim of it . 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well , 15 it ' s a personnel matter, so we were not 16 going to discuss that this evening, but 17 we ' ll certainly -- I read your e-mail very 18 quickly this morning, but we had work 19 session from 9 : 00 till after 4 : 00 today . 20 So I -- I don ' t know if, Ben, if you want 21 to answer anything for the Board . We -- I 22 -- personnel matters , we would not discuss 23 it in public . 24 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : I 25 apologize . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 39 1 MICHAEL SONIC : Sure . No , it ' s 2 fine . 3 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 4 Okay . If you have any questions , you can 5 certainly call my office or stop by at any 6 time . 7 MICHAEL SONIC : Okay . Do you have a 8 direct line? 9 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : You 10 can just call the Town Attorney ' s Office . 11 1 don ' t have it off the tip of my tongue . 12 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : 13 765- 9939 . 14 TOWN ATTORNEY BENJAMIN JOHNSON : 15 Jill knows it . 16 MICHAEL SONIC : Okay . 17 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Is that 18 your only copy of it? 19 MICHAEL SONIC : Yes . 20 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Then you 21 might want to take that . 22 MICHAEL SONIC : Okay . Thank you, 23 all . 24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Okay . 25 Thank you . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 40 1 NICHOLAS DEEGAN : Nicholas Deegan 2 from Mattituck . In regard to the Flock 3 cameras , I feel that it ' s really turning 4 into something else, that we ' re letting 5 the police force in Southold Town, Long 6 Island, the Suffolk County Police force, 7 kind of dictate what I think the elected 8 officials of the town should be dictating . 9 And I think you ought to get control of 10 it, finish it up, finish up this contract, 11 shut it down, because we have a -- it ' s 12 going to be just a creep that you ' re going 13 to get . It -- it ' s going to -- this will 14 not be the end of it . They ' re going to 15 collect more information, and all the 16 other stuff will go on, the garbage they 17 can get out of that and sell . And I 18 think, you know, we all know about the 19 Chinese with their surveillance and -- 20 well , you can ' t walk out the door . Well , 21 we don ' t want to get into that here in 22 Southold Town . So I would appreciate if 23 you could seriously consider doing away 24 with the Flock cameras , and don ' t let the 25 police forces of Suffolk County of Long AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 41 1 Island dictate of what happens here in 2 Southold Town . I think the elected 3 officials should be taking over, and this 4 is , you know, you barely beat the 5 handbook, not the police force . 6 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well , 7 thank -- thank you for that . No, I 8 appreciate that because this is -- we are 9 taking this seriously, and we ' re trying to 10 find time for -- if we try to do 11 everything, we ' re not going to do 12 anything . We focus -- I mean, today was 13 busy . Last work session was busy . We are 14 taking it seriously, though . We ' re not -- 15 we ' re not just pushing it off . 16 NICHOLAS DEEGAN : Thank you . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 18 you . 19 NICHOLAS DEEGAN : Thank you for all 20 you do . 21 MINERVA PEREZ : Good evening, 22 everyone . Hi . This is Minerva Perez with 23 OLA, Eastern Long Island . I just wanted 24 to speak a little bit about public safety 25 and accountability . For the -- for the AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 42 1 meeting on July 29th, the energy and the 2 urgency of that meeting I think was clear . 3 1 think, you know, it was documented . A 4 lot of conversations about just making 5 sure that we don ' t -- let things linger, 6 that we don ' t have something go on and on . 7 And I really took that to heart, at that 8 meeting . It was great to see people in 9 the room and also great to hear from Board 10 members . What I really want to do right 11 now, and this is not an OLA thing . I want 12 to echo what five very smart and dedicated 13 members of your public safety task force 14 recommended . I want to echo the fact that 15 their recommendations were not light, but 16 they were meaningful and well thought out . 17 They were -- they were -- come after -- 18 they -- they came to those recommendations 19 after a lot of questions and conversations 20 and weeks of gathering and -- and whatnot . 21 So I just want to make sure that we ' re not 22 losing that . I know you did have a work 23 session and some things were discussed . 24 What I ' m -- I ' m -- I don ' t know if this is 25 the only thing that ' s being -- that you ' ve AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 43 1 come to -- but some of the conversation 2 I ' m hearing is that maybe you ' re going to 3 wait on the chief, Chief Grattan to work 4 on a policy update that spells out what 5 kind of process the police follow when, 6 there ' s a confirmed ICE or immigration 7 incident . What we want to make sure of is 8 that, you know, what went into even 9 presenting kind of a template of a law, 10 which is essentially what we -- what we 11 presented and your five members of your 12 task force felt was absolutely more than 13 adequate to put forward and to keep moving 14 forward and voting in, is simply doable 15 without putting you in any kind of great 16 liability . And simply having a policy 17 update, which is -- could be great, and I 18 think it ' s great that the chief is going 19 to work on that, but having that be 20 potentially the only thing that gets voted 21 on, is that going to be something that you 22 vote on and then walk away from the rest 23 of the conversation? I don ' t know . I ' m 24 just -- I ' m just going to be here because 25 1 -- you ' ve had the work sessions and the AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 44 1 other work sessions , no space to comment . 2 And really, what we saw from that last 3 public meeting was the urgency and the 4 desire from many people on this Board . 5 Not just the task force members to really 6 see this come forward and come to a vote, 7 and come to sort of an end of a -- of 8 discussion that takes us forward and 9 doesn ' t set us back . The accountability 10 feature around a law is kind of why that 11 was put so strongly forward -- is that 12 it ' s not going to be a procedure that gets 13 buried, that people have to dig around 14 for, but that it ' s going to be something 15 that ' s very clearly stated to the entire 16 community . And it ' s not just on the 17 shoulders of law enforcement . I do think 18 in a way that kind of passes the buck . 19 Law enforcement is a big piece of it, as 20 they should be , but also our schools , our 21 healthcare infrastructure, the -- what we 22 have out here, our ferry system, any of 23 the systems where damage can be done when 24 there is chaos , and there is unintended 25 chaos or injury that can stem from panic . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 45 1 That is the role of this Board of 2 governance . And that ' s your role . And so 3 1 am just here to make sure that that 4 stays urgent . And I want to thank you for 5 all the work you ' ve been doing . I know 6 there ' s been a lot of busy sessions , and I 7 do thank you for that . And for the very 8 meaningful conversations that I ' ve been 9 able to hear online and whatnot . So thank 10 you for all that . 11 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 12 you for coming . Thank you . We did -- we 13 did have a special work session last week 14 to try to -- try to flesh out some of the 15 some of the items . And you know, you 16 mentioned the task force members . We were 17 very grateful because we had some great 18 volunteers there, and their work -- their 19 input was appreciated, believe me . And 20 Anne, you want to or Alexa, do you want to 21 lay out some of the -- some of the things 22 we discussed this morning? 23 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : So just 24 to recap a little bit of the discussion 25 that we had in open session today, I want AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 46 1 to reiterate that . Yes , we are absolutely 2 looking at an outside agency policy at the 3 moment, but there is more to it than that . 4 We had discussed an outside agency policy . 5 We have discussed communication as far as 6 to -- from the Police Department to the 7 Supervisor to Town Board members to 8 mayors . And then of course communication 9 that can go to institutions , such as 10 schools or medical facilities or -- as you 11 mentioned, the ferry . I ' m so glad you 12 mentioned that . I think it ' s a great 13 know a great point, and I don ' t think that 14 was brought up this morning, so thank you . 15 We ' re also discussing a task force or a 16 working group to continue to work on both 17 communication on this issue and also 18 potentially reviewing instances where 19 there are outside agencies . So there are 20 a lot of moving parts to this . There ' s 21 also the actual education and 22 communication, i . e . , I think you ' ve 23 brought this up in the past, explaining, 24 you know, what our police officers look 25 like, what their uniforms look like , what AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 47 1 they ' re here to do, and what they ' re not 2 here to do . So there are a lot of parts 3 to this , and we are discussing all of them 4 equally . I believe the -- we are waiting 5 currently on the chief, as you mentioned, 6 and our town attorney to work on the 7 outside agency policy, but we have not 8 forgotten about any of the other parts . 9 We ' re working on them in tandem . 10 Anne , do you have anything to add? 11 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . I 12 would just add, in addition to that, today 13 we did challenge ourselves to have a very 14 detailed resolution that we do vote on 15 because I think that ' s important . And if 16 we can ' t move toward a law being adopted 17 quickly, then we can at least memorialize 18 the steps we are taking and put the step 19 -- these pieces in -- into place , but not 20 wait to have all the details for each 21 part . For example, if there ' s a task 22 force , who is on it, what can they do? 23 What should they do? We also work very 24 hard because we are a small community not 25 to keep creating new groups . So our AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 48 1 thought was to convene members of two 2 different groups to then feed back into 3 those bigger groups , the Police Advisory 4 Committee and the Anti-Bias Task Force . 5 And then as we need other representatives 6 or partners , we add them to that . I 7 didn ' t -- I don ' t think I said this 8 morning, but I do want to make sure -- 9 most often when you have a task force, 10 there is a final report that is presented 11 to the Town Board and then accepted, maybe 12 not adopted, but accepted . And absent 13 that, we have obviously -- we have the -- 14 the, recommendations from the five members 15 of the task force . That is actually 16 serving as an outline and guide for us . 17 Like, every decision we ' re making, like, 18 "What did -- what did this group say about 19 that? What was their research? How does 20 that support or not work for us ? " So I -- 21 I do think as a Town Board, we need to 22 write a final report so that that exists , 23 not -- again, searching somewhere on the 24 website for the documents that you can see 25 now . But I think this will help us kind AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 49 1 of, as you said, bring it to some 2 conclusion, get some action, have a vote, 3 but not lose the other pieces that it ' s an 4 ever-changing landscape with public safety 5 right now, and we need to be responsive to 6 that in our practices . Police will create 7 this policy and procedure, but it ' s in the 8 context of a bigger effort that, yes , does 9 belong at this -- at this governing body . 10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And part 11 of what Alexa said was the -- was the 12 training part and the community outreach, 13 and we just lost someone who ' s very 14 valuable . She was actually on the task 15 force , and she moved on . The previous 16 Town Board and Supervisor had hired 17 someone who ' s very capable of 18 communicating with the -- with the public . 19 And so we ' re looking -- we had today at 20 work session spoke about replacing that 21 person for that -- in that position . And 22 it goes -- that position goes beyond 23 educating for public safety though . I 24 mean, there ' s always -- there ' s traffic 25 concerns . Something came up with about AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 50 1 beach access , a month ago . I asked the -- 2 in response , I asked the government 3 liaison and our GIS coordinator, come up 4 with a map, and this is for everyone in 5 the community . Come up with a map of 6 beach access and then a narrative of who ' s 7 allowed to use that beach access , because 8 then you avoid all those conflicts . "No, 9 you can ' t fish here . Go 200 hundred feet 10 down the beach, and then you can fish 11 there all day . " No problem . And so -- 12 but people need to know that . So we ' re 13 working on those sort of initiatives with 14 that person that -- and we will replace 15 that position . Thank you . 16 MINERVA PEREZ : Thank you all . 17 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Welcome . 18 DINNI GORDON : Good evening . I ' m 19 Dinni Gordon . I am -- I live in Greenport 20 on 6th Street, and I ' m the Chair of 21 Greenport ' s Housing Committee , and I ' m 22 also a member of CRAB, the Community 23 Housing Advisory Board . And in that 24 latter role , which I ' m mostly going to 25 speak about, I ' m very appreciative of the AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 51 1 fact that Southold has a housing plan for 2 a town -- for the town, that provides 3 guidance for spending money in the 4 Community Housing Fund . I also feel 5 confident that the town, staff, and Board 6 will find their way to spend the fund so 7 that it benefits people that cannot buy 8 million-dollar plus houses , but who do 9 essential jobs and give life to the town 10 and to Great Greenport Village . I am 11 concerned, however, that the staff and 12 Board are now considering a proposal for 13 down payment assistance that will not 14 reach the people we most want to keep and 15 attract, and who should be the target of 16 any policy we develop . I was unable to be 17 at the July meeting of the CRAB, the 18 Community Housing Advisory Board, and if I 19 had been there , I would have been the sole 20 dissenting voice on the current proposal . 21 1 know that you have heard much opposition 22 to the guidelines that were provided to 23 the Board, and I ' m sure you ' re going back 24 to the drawing board on the essentials . I 25 will not give you my overall version . I AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 52 1 think you ' ve heard a lot of what I would 2 say . I do think the price -- purchase 3 price cap and the income maximums are too 4 high, as you might guess . But in these 5 remarks , I want to focus on two other 6 points . One of the reasons the maximum 7 purchase price seems untenable is that it 8 could apply to someone who has an income 9 that makes them eligible, but also has 10 access to assets that are -- would make 11 him or her disqualified . Affluent parents 12 of a young person just starting out in a 13 professional or craft career, or consider 14 New York City retirees who have benefited 15 from rent stabilization for forty years 16 and are now relying on a fixed income, but 17 spend every summer on the North Fork and 18 have accumulated substantial wealth . 19 These are not the intended targets of the 20 plan for down payment assistance . An 21 asset test -- asset test should be part of 22 the determination of eligibility, and I 23 hope you will think about that very 24 seriously . I am sure that others have 25 pointed out that the New York State Town AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 53 1 Law provisions that set parameters 2 reflecting the standards of the New York 3 -- State of New York Mortgage Agency are 4 not mandatory . There is no requirement 5 that someone whose income is a 1500 of 6 local AMI must be eligible for the 7 generous no-interest loan . Southold need 8 not rely on the state boundary . I also 9 want to take issue with the first-come , 10 first-served provision in the guidelines . 11 If we are really looking to help 12 first-time home buyers , many will have not 13 the faintest idea of how to go about the 14 business of negotiating a house price, 15 finding a responsive lender, and figuring 16 out what are affordable monthly mortgage 17 and tax payments . We shouldn ' t be 18 preferring those who have resources to 19 guide them through the process over those 20 who may be a little disorganized as they 21 approach these tasks , these new tasks . At 22 first, I thought that setting a date 23 certain for applications was the way to 24 go, but then I realized that there also 25 needed to be a selection process for the AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 54 1 possibility that there would be 2 significant competition among qualified 3 applicants . I have Greenport ' s Board -- 4 Planning Board Chair, Patricia Hammes , to 5 thank for thinking of a lottery in that 6 situation . First , you have a date 7 certain, which is longer than six months 8 or whatever, and long enough for that 9 person who is less prepared as a 10 first-time home buyer to go through the 11 elaborate process of buying a first house . 12 These are some points that I hope you will 13 consider as you rework the down payment 14 assistance plan, along with others that 15 colleagues have pointed out as 16 inconsistencies in the guidelines . In 17 closing, I do also want to send a warning 18 about the general project of supporting 19 down payment assistance for people whose 20 household incomes are at or below the 21 Suffolk County AMI . It ' s the supply 22 problem . I am told by more knowledgeable , 23 people more knowledgeable than I , that 24 there are a few houses for sale in 25 Southold that a family making less than AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 55 1 $200 , 000 a year could afford, but only a 2 few . And down payment assistance does not 3 increase supply . So I hope that whatever 4 plan the Southold staff and Board settle 5 on will not use up much of the CHF money, 6 most of which I think should go to new 7 construction to addressing the supply 8 problem . Thank you very much for 9 listening . 10 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 11 you . Thank you so much for coming . 12 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Dinni , 13 were your comments submitted to CHAB? 14 DINNI GORDON : No, because I know it 15 was -- 16 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : No, I ' m 17 saying just go ahead and send that in 18 though . Submit those because that would 19 be helpful . 20 DINNI GORDON : Yes . Sure . 21 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : You can 22 e-mail to Andrea . 23 DINNI GORDON : Well , they -- the 24 August meeting has been canceled . So we 25 won ' t meet until September, but -- AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 56 1 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : It ' s 2 still good to have them on the record, 3 though . 4 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Just 5 send them to Andrea . 6 DINNI GORDON : Yes . I will do that . 7 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : That ' ll 8 be helpful . 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 10 you . And so to your -- to your point with 11 that, it ' s kind of funny because we tried 12 to do the same sort of program in -- I 13 would say, 2008 when the bubble burst . 14 There were an awful lot of houses for sale 15 and, in town, and we had a little bit of 16 money as a town . Then, 2008 , 2009 , and we 17 wanted to do the same type of thing . 18 First-time home buyer assistance . it 19 would be a flat rate , and you would pay it 20 back, no interest, when you sold the home . 21 By the time we -- we didn ' t have a housing 22 director or a program or a plan or 23 anything like that back then . By the time 24 we got that kind of formalized, that idea 25 formalized a little more, the real estate AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 57 1 market started to creep up . All the -- 2 all the for sale signs disappeared, and 3 that was -- that plan was abandoned . So 4 this -- And I have to give the past Town 5 Board and the past supervisor and the -- 6 and the community a lot of credit for 7 passing that half percent tax, because 8 they did so under some criticism for not 9 having a plan . But they -- they had to 10 strike while the iron was hot, pass that, 11 and now a lot of volunteers and town staff 12 worked on a plan . And now you ' re a member 13 of the CHAB, the Community Housing 14 Advisory Board, which is a state 15 authorized body . And that ' s -- So we ' ve 16 gotten there so far . What you mentioned 17 tonight shows how terribly complicated all 18 this is . We have been -- we have been 19 really struggling . We have so many 20 different partners , not just in Southold 21 Town . Different laws that we have to 22 comply with . And so I don ' t know if any 23 Board member who wants to talk about this , 24 but I just thank you for your -- for your 25 service on the Board . Thank you for AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 58 1 coming tonight , because the way that was 2 originally rolled out, I got a lot of 3 comments about, "What the heck? $2 million 4 dollar home . " And that ' s -- we ' re trying 5 to clarify that . I ' ll put it that way . 6 DINNI GORDON : Well , clearly, you 7 know, one of the points I ' m making is that 8 you don ' t have to use that set of 9 standards that the state sets . They -- 10 they are parameters . They are not 11 mandates . And I hope that one of the 12 things you will do is to modify that . But 13 1 also think even if you do, there ' s going 14 to be a supply problem for -- especially 15 for young people who are first-time 16 homeowners . 17 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : Sure . So 18 if I may make a couple of comments . One 19 is that this program is still being worked 20 on, and I so appreciate your -- your 21 comments . I think checking for assets is 22 incredibly important and needs to be built 23 into this in some way, shape, or form . 24 I ' d also like to add that this program is 25 only one puzzle piece of the whole housing AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 59 1 plan, which I ' m sure you ' ve read over . 2 That also includes developer subsidies . 3 So we ' re trying to attack this from both 4 the supply side and the demand side of 5 this housing economy . That requires us 6 to -- to pick one thing and then do it , as 7 we ' re waiting for -- for more code 8 changes . 9 DINNI GORDON : Well , I think there 10 was more -- Excuse me . I think there ' s 11 been more publicity about this . And 12 people are paying more attention to this 13 piece of it . But I mean, the other piece 14 is that I think the Board did very, very 15 well to create this framework for 16 developer subsidy for rental housing, the 17 creation of rental housing, but it hasn ' t 18 gone anywhere . And so I think, you know, 19 the fact that -- that what comes up first 20 in the public mind is this program, which 21 really has so many problems , and that I 22 would hope that going back to the -- the, 23 the -- the developer subsidy problem and 24 giving all of us information about that 25 would be probably better received and move AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 60 1 this whole plan -- I mean, it ' s so 2 terrific that there is a housing plan . I 3 mean, that is something to be 4 congratulated for, by the town and for the 5 town, and I think that that ' s the -- the 6 -- the subsidy idea is really what is 7 going to address supply in a way that this 8 can ' t, by its nature , can ' t do . Thank you 9 very much . 10 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . I 11 just -- I would also add today at our work 12 session, Assistant Town Attorney Julie 13 McGivney, as well as -- not sure who else 14 was there with her . I think maybe she was 15 by herself . We are dedicating our focus 16 right now on the Zoning Update on creating 17 a new Housing Code, which will make all of 18 the things that you just talked about 19 being important, the -- the subsidies to 20 developers , work more efficiently . 21 Because right now, the way the code is 22 written, it ' s not aligned properly with 23 the plan . So we are rapidly working to 24 update that code so that we can start 25 processing the applications for building AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 61 1 new apartments and -- 2 DINNI GORDON : Well , I like the word 3 "rapidly . " 4 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . 5 It ' s -- it is rapid and very, very focused 6 work by a lot of people and -- and that 7 update was really helpful today . So 8 that -- that is recorded in our work 9 session . Thank you . 10 DINNI GORDON : Thank you . 11 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : And then 12 1 just want to mention with -- we ' re 13 trying to clarify what we -- what we did 14 with the -- with the subsidies , and it ' s 15 not the only thing that they have to . 16 It ' s not just like, "Okay, I make this 17 now, " you automatically get a down 18 payment . There ' s so many other things 19 that they have to qualify for, and then 20 once they pass and qualify under our 21 program, they might not be mortgageable, 22 and they might not get it . So it ' s up to 23 the bank to say if they ' re mortgageable . 24 And I think with all the other 25 difficulties in trying to figure this out, AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 62 1 at this point, it was easier for the town 2 to just take what was already done by the 3 state , adopt that, and then concentrate on 4 the other details that are -- are very 5 important to the program . And just 6 because we give one section of a program 7 out doesn ' t mean we ' re abandoning another 8 or we ' re not working on it . We have 9 rental subsidy program pretty much done . 10 We -- and we have the contractor program 11 done . And it ' s all there . And then what 12 we ' ve discovered in every little piece 13 that we worked with is our -- all our many 14 different codes that talk about housing 15 contradict . So we felt it ' s important 16 that we had to just stop, take a breath, 17 let ' s make this code that follows the 18 housing plan and that everybody can go to 19 one section of the code and say, "Oh, this 20 is how it ' s done . " So then you ' re going 21 to see all these things right there , and 22 it -- and we ' re trying to simplify . So 23 people can understand what we ' re doing and 24 what we have . So there ' s many different 25 parts and moving parts . You know, your AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 63 1 comments are heard, and we want you to 2 send them to Andrea because that will help 3 develop the wording that we use in that 4 program . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : And the 6 code changes that Anne mentioned, so 7 nobody sees it, but we ' ve got dedicated 8 Housing staff, Planning staff . The Town 9 Attorney spent countless hours , and he and 10 his staff . We hired a -- contracted out, 11 a Housing attorney to help us with this . 12 We don ' t have to research everything . All 13 that work ' s been done, and she ' s been very 14 helpful . So we have tremendous amount of 15 town staff dedicated towards this effort 16 right now to changing those codes and 17 making them consistent with our Housing 18 Plan . 19 DINNI GORDON : Well , I appreciate 20 that, as I understand it, as you think 21 about the Zoning changes , that Housing is 22 the top priority or the first priority, 23 not the -- 24 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : It is . 25 It is really the top priority in that . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 64 1 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : I also wanted 2 to share that, I don ' t think that it ' s 3 maybe been shared widely enough that 4 people realize that we did actually submit 5 our pro-housing community letter of 6 intent . So we wrote it , I think in 7 February . We voted on it . We were 8 waiting to see what was happening with the 9 state budget in terms of CCRA, make sure 10 we were going to retain local control . 11 And then we submitted a letter, which 12 really outlined kind of a conditional 13 intent, which is we really want to 14 participate , but we want to also push the 15 program to get right sized for rural 16 communities like ours , to make sure that 17 there aren ' t quotas , which have currently 18 been removed . But we want to make sure 19 that -- that we ' re not going to be 20 beholden to a scale that ' s not appropriate 21 for our community in terms of our 22 limitations because of our aquifer and, 23 and other things . Our sort of re-existing 24 restraints . But I think it ' s important 25 for people to realize that we really, as a AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 65 1 Town Board, are very much committed to 2 that, and it ' s reflected in the zoning 3 priority in the letter of intent . And 4 also just to echo what Jill was saying is 5 just because we ' re working on something at 6 the moment, it ' s because we have to go 7 step by step . So it doesn ' t mean that 8 that ' s going to be prioritized ultimately, 9 but you have to pick something and move 10 forward on it . So while things are moving 11 in parallel , some of these things are 12 getting a little bit more airtime 13 press-wise, but that doesn ' t mean that a 14 lot of stuff isn ' t happening, so . 15 DINNI GORDON : Well , it ' s -- it ' s 16 great that you ' re submitting the request 17 for the pro-housing designation . And I 18 think the state is eager to have people, 19 to have small communities , as well as , 20 larger ones participating . I mean, the 21 Village is much smaller than the town, and 22 they -- the State has been very responsive 23 to our interest in being certified so that 24 we can apply from -- for some of these new 25 programs that may be especially attentive AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 66 1 to smaller communities . 2 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : And it should 3 be pointed out that while I think we at -- 4 and also Greenport Village have submitted 5 the letter, there ' s still subsequent work 6 that needs to be done in terms of 7 following up with actually our Zoning 8 codes and then also "X" number of building 9 permits that were submitted, you know, 10 over a course of several years . So 11 there ' s a lot of homework that ' s still be 12 doing -- to be done on many communities ' 13 front . 14 DINNI GORDON : Right . 15 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : But at least 16 we ' re part of the conversation in a good 17 way . 18 DINNI GORDON : So I must say that 19 Denis Noncarrow has been very helpful in 20 our collection of the building permit 21 information that we needed . So I have 22 experts . 23 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Good . 24 Excellent . Thank you for coming . 25 Would anyone else like to address AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 67 1 the Board? 2 (No Response . ) 3 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Seeing 4 none -- 5 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : I ' ll 6 make a motion to adjourn . 7 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Second -- 8 Is that a hand on Zoom or not? 9 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Oh, yes . 10 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Oh, I 11 thought so . 12 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Welcome , 13 Lily . She is still on mute . Lily, can 14 you un-mute yourself, please? So Lily, 15 we ' re ready to hear your comments , but 16 you ' re muted . We can come back . 17 Carolyn? Welcome Carolyn . 18 CAROLYN PEABODY : Lily and I are 19 like, trying to struggle with, I guess 20 trying to un-mute here, so . 21 Unfortunately, I was unable to come to the 22 work session, and I haven ' t had time today 23 to review it . Lily has , and so I was just 24 hoping that she would be able to ask the 25 questions because she ' s much more informed AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 68 1 on it . But , you know, I appreciate 2 Minerva raising the question that she did . 3 And I know that --that the other members 4 of the group of five , that we are 5 concerned that we not get stuck, and also 6 that -- the fact that it was not sort 7 of -- like it wasn ' t a formal -- it wasn ' t 8 on the agenda to give us an update . That 9 was a little concerning because I -- I 10 really feel like we need to have the 11 public have information about what ' s going 12 on in terms of the specific steps that are 13 going forward . And and in particular 14 about , the status of how the Board is 15 thinking about the proposed either 16 resolution or law, as -- as it -- as it 17 was originally proposed . So that ' s -- 18 that was -- that was my question, and I 19 believe that was also others ' questions as 20 well . 21 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : I think 22 that we had a discussion on the agenda 23 this morning at 9 : 00 AM . 24 CAROLYN PEABODY : Yes , I ' m -- I ' m 25 aware of that, but as I said, I wasn ' t AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 69 1 able to -- I haven ' t seen it . And the -- 2 the question is , like, how, you know, 3 like -- is it possible to, like, just give 4 us a status update beyond that? That 5 you ' re working on it? 6 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Yeah . 7 That was the update we gave this morning . 8 And then just now after Minerva ' s comments 9 about a resolution getting drafted for -- 10 for some Board action for the next Town 11 Board meeting in terms of steps toward 12 implementing a lot of the recommendations 13 that -- that came from the task force and 14 making sure we memorialize the work of the 15 task force in a way that isn ' t simply a 16 series of documents on the website, but 17 something that gets put in front of the 18 Town Board for acceptance . So those 19 things exist in the public record . And 20 then the work toward a task force made up 21 of members of two different committees to 22 be -- we ' re also attending, responding, 23 debriefing, educating . Like, those 24 details need to be worked out , but in the 25 meantime , we ' re focused on procedure and AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 70 1 policy . So we ' re kind of trying to get 2 things done in a certain order and not 3 waiting for it all to be figured out 4 before we pass anything as a Board . 5 CAROLYN PEABODY : Well -- 6 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : I hope 7 that made sense . I think I ' ve -- I said 8 that too fast . 9 CAROLYN PEABODY : Well , that makes 10 sense . And you had said that earlier, and 11 1 -- and I appreciated that . And it ' s 12 great that -- that you ' re referring to a 13 number of the issues that were raised . I 14 guess the -- it ' s the overall issue of 15 what ' s the status of the Board ' s 16 positioning on the -- on the proposal to 17 adopt the proposed legislation? 18 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Well , I 19 -- I think you can, if you -- if you could 20 review, because it was a good half an hour 21 discussion this morning . I don ' t want to 22 go into that right now . If you could 23 review that from our work session, I think 24 that would be informative . 25 CAROLYN PEABODY : Okay . I just AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 71 1 wanted to get a sense of what your -- you 2 know, what your thinking is in terms of 3 the actual -- beyond -- beyond the issues 4 around communication and that it was -- I 5 understand that you ' re not inclined to 6 talk about it, but it -- it seems like it 7 would be a -- it just to simply say that 8 you ' re considering it, you ' re going 9 forward with it, you ' re -- 10 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : Well , I think 11 it ' s important to point out that the -- 12 that the OLA Law consists of parts and 13 components , you know, which are -- all of 14 which we ' re talking about . So I think 15 we ' re talking about all the pieces about 16 how -- how our police responds , the 17 immediate emergency response . We ' re 18 talking about the oversight by the Town 19 Board as police commissioners , and we ' re 20 talking about the communications through 21 sort of a subcommittee made up of two 22 existing committees . So we ' re talking 23 about kind of all the pieces , all the nuts 24 and bolts that also have gone into the 25 work that East Hampton Village and Town AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 72 1 have done . So we ' re all talking about the 2 same pieces . I think -- I think that ' s 3 pretty clear . So I ' m not quite sure what 4 component you don ' t think that we ' re 5 talking enough about . I think we are 6 focused on the idea of a protocol and 7 policy, that ' s made transparent through a 8 resolution, because we think -- at least 9 based on the discussion today, we feel 10 like that gives us the kind of flexibility 11 that we actually think we need based on 12 the changing landscape that ' s happening 13 and based on the sort of uncertain status 14 of the New York State Law and all sorts of 15 things . So we ' re -- we ' re -- we ' re 16 weighing it , and it ' s still an open 17 discussion, but I think that ' s all pretty 18 clear from work session . 19 CAROLYN PEABODY : The question I had 20 that -- that ' s the specifics part of it, 21 has to do with -- relegating the decisions 22 around police protocol , and I just wanted 23 to know if you ' re thinking that that ' s 24 going to be part of the resolution . 25 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : Absolutely . AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 73 1 Yes . Absolutely . That ' s the core . 2 That ' s the -- that ' s a piece . The 3 protocol -- the oversight, and the 4 communications I think are the three 5 pieces of the framework that will be in 6 the resolution . 7 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : And all in 8 the context of public safety, emergency 9 response is shared publicly and what 10 components of many emergency response 11 plans that need to be kept confidential 12 for security reasons and for public 13 safety . So what -- those are the pieces 14 we ' re -- we ' re grappling with, but the 15 response will be the priority . And we 16 should have a draft of that response . 17 Chief Grattan is working with Town 18 Attorney Ben Johnson on fine-tuning it . 19 So hopefully we ' ll have a draft of the -- 20 stay tuned for the August 25th meeting . 21 We ' ll have hopefully something to review 22 and dig -- and dig into . 23 CAROLYN PEABODY : That ' s great . I 24 just wanted to make sure that that was 25 going to be part of the resolution as AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 74 1 well . All right . Thank you . 2 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Thank 3 you . Lily, are you -- are you with us 4 now? 5 LILY DOHERTY JOHNSON : Yes , I am . 6 Well , goodness . Hello . Oh, sorry . Just 7 got dogs too . This is exciting to me on 8 Zoom . This is the first time I ' ve done 9 this . I ' m Lily Doherty Johnson, Village 10 of Greenport Trustee . Sorry, I have done 11 Zoom . I just have not Zoomed with -- So I 12 did watch your work session this morning, 13 which is why I was a little late to get on 14 this meeting . And I guess I just did have 15 a couple -- I mean, I appreciate and I 16 understand, I do think figuring out 17 policies and procedures quickly is really 18 important, so I appreciate that you guys 19 are focused on that . I would encourage 20 you that to -- there ' s no reason that a 21 law can ' t be looked at the same time, and 22 1 know that you also are busy and have a 23 lot of things in front of you . But I do 24 think this is a pretty important thing . 25 So I would just encourage you to think AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 75 1 about going at those parallel tracks , 2 because they are related . And just as 3 being on the task force , I did have that 4 thought where I was like, "Well , does this 5 need to be a law? Maybe it doesn ' t need 6 to be a law . " And I even at some point 7 kind of thought, " It doesn ' t need to be a 8 law . " But I have come to the conclusion 9 that, you know, for transparency and for 10 accountability, it ' s much better as a law 11 than just as a resolution . Because just, 12 you know, as working in the Village , I see 13 -- we go through so many resolutions , 14 right , and they get lost, and they ' re hard 15 to find . And people don ' t know to look 16 for them unless you know to look for them . 17 Whereas , you know, your code, although 18 it ' s much even bigger than our code , which 19 is still -- there ' s a lot there . But 20 that ' s one document people can search and 21 know that it is -- like , the final say, 22 and I think that ' s important . The other 23 thing I guess I wanted to say is that when 24 you ' re thinking of a Task Force, I do 25 think thinking of including the Village is AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 76 1 important because all of these actions 2 have been in the Village . And I just 3 think that having that Village and town, 4 you know, working closely is really 5 important, and I know we -- it ' s something 6 we are -- we are working actively on 7 making better . And then I was interested 8 to hear the report of Monday ' s kind of 9 incident where people saw Homeland 10 Security and people were, you know, 11 thought it was -- ICE was in Greenport 12 and -- and it was interesting to me to 13 hear that . Like, Chief had texted the 14 mayor, which is -- is the kind of the 15 protocol , right, that we ' ve been 16 discussing and that the OLA Law has 17 discussed . Even though I know, understand 18 that this wasn ' t an immigration action . 19 But I think -- I think even considering 20 the, the non-actions of the things people 21 think are actions is important because 22 that fear is all over the village and the 23 town . And so how do we actually 24 communicate that and mitigate that? And I 25 think part of that is , like, having that AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 77 1 confidence . If we know that Chief is 2 going to tell the Mayor, then we know -- 3 you know what I mean? Like, then we can 4 -- know that that is correct information . 5 Right now, there ' s a lot of -- like , we 6 don ' t know what the protocol is , so we 7 don ' t know who knows what when You know 8 what I ' m saying? I think just again, 9 more of that clarity would make things a 10 lot -- so that we know that that ' s going 11 to happen . It won ' t be perfect, right . 12 Because it ' s a lot of things are still out 13 of our hands . But I think -- I think 14 that ' s an important thing . 15 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : No, 16 thank you for -- thank you for bringing 17 that up because we had a long discussion 18 about how to do it properly and, and to 19 people safe , and including, of course, the 20 schools . And because you want to make 21 sure everything ' s verified so that the 22 community ' s response is , is appropriate 23 and safe . So thank you for bringing that 24 last point up . 25 So I do have a motion and -- AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 78 1 LILY DOHERTY JOHNSON : Thank you 2 guys for -- for doing all of this . 3 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Thank you, 4 Lily . 5 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : I do 6 have a motion and a second . 7 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : All in 8 favor? 9 COUNCILWOMAN JILL DOHERTY : Aye . 10 COUNCILMAN BRIAN MEALY : Aye . 11 COUNCILWOMAN ANNE SMITH : Aye . 12 COUNCILWOMAN ALEXA SUESS : Aye . 13 JUSTICE KATE STEVENS : Aye . 14 SUPERVISOR AL KRUPSKI JR . : Aye . 15 16 (Whereupon, the meeting was 17 adjourned at this time . ) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 AUGUST 11, 2026 REGULAR MEETING 79 C E R T I F I C A T 1 0 N 2 3 1 , Jessica DiLallo, a Notary Public 4 for and within the State of New York, do 5 hereby certify : 6 THAT, the within transcript is a 7 true record of said Board Meeting . 8 1 further certify that I am not 9 related either by blood or marriage to any 10 of the parties to this action; and that I 11 am in no way interested in the outcome of 12 this matter . 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 14 set my hand this day, August 24 , 2026 . 15 16 17 (J s ica Di alto) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25